***KNIGHTS!!! *Models Right Hand Helpers, Or Se

I have been receiving a load of comments receintly regarding the Cam Room Knights Program, that started here...oh lets just guess a little over a year ago? However long ago, I think most of us have had plenty of time to form our own, and many times shared, opinions of the entire Program.
***Lets start at the beginning, and understand why it was created.
"Knights" (Gold Members Only) were created here to act as a Monitor of sorts for each Cam Room Model/Room independantly. (A "Right Hand Man" so to speak) It was supposed to work as a system to keep unruly Greys and Guests in check, to allow the Model to concentrate on other members in the Room. If a Grey/Guest became unruly to either the Models or other Members etc, a Knight is able to Ban that Grey/Guest from any further talking. Sounds simple, and it should be!
***That is basically all it was intended for, period. Unfortunately it quickly just became another mess in itself, that not only gets many members upset, but whether they realize it or not, the Models themselves are the greatest effected by things that Knights might do, or not do.
The Model and Knight should discuss exactly how far to let someone go before Banning, But Still Very few have ever done that. OK, Technically ^The Knight should be picked because he has experience here in Cam Rooms, knowledge of this site, it's Rules, Regs etc. Have a level head and is fair on an even level. Be 1 of her steady, loyal Fans who is in her room whenever possible. But instead of sticking to the basics and just doing the job correctly, it many times creates even more drama that it prevents. And everyone is at fault, the Knights, Models Gold and Grey members and sometimes Guests, Even Admin! To begin with we are not c***dren, and Rudeness, insults and other things like that that upset the flow of the room shouldn't even be going on here, But unfortunately......
Admin started out by really not explaining it fully to anyone, including the Models, so that left it up to the Model to decide how to pick her Knights! Many of them decided that instead of picking the best suited for the job, they would either pick their highest tipppers, friends, Highest tipper of the day, whether she knew him or not, or simply Sell the position for *X Amount of Tokens!! Some girls do not even allow Greys/Guests into the Room, yet they still were/are selling the position!! **WHY?? If there are No Greys, No Knights are Needed!!
So now not only did she hurt some peoples feelings, she didn't have the qualified people to help her with the Room, She only had the Best Tippers mainly! OK, then the Knights chosen, many times take the position to their heads, and try to control the Room His/Her way, not the right way, and many times not even the Models way! Instead of Right hand helper, they become Room Dictators, advising everyone what to do, including Gold Members, who they should have nothing to do with! They have no control over, or are in any higher a position than any other Gold Member! If a Gold is disrupting the room, which yes, it does happen, that is fully up to the Model herself to deal with! *Not a Knight!
Some rooms may have multiple Knights in them, and I've even seen Banning Competitions form, who could Ban the Grey Faster!! lolo The Model is at fault for this type of behavior, she should be controling her Knights. Usually I just see their reply read "LOL"
Knights were originally Unlimited which was rediculous! I hear StripChat has limited it to 25 per girl, I'm not positive about that, but I feel that's still too many. If a Model cannot get 1-3 Knights into her room Daily, she hasn't chosen her loyal Fans! This hurts her in the long run, because Knights that don't play fair or act like Dictators only chase people away, and some even stay from a room because of the Kinght, not the girl!
I myself am a Knight in a few rooms. But it's easy to just stick to the basic concept. When someone needs to be stopped from something, IE: Requests w/o tipping, rudeness depending on how bad, or doing anything the Model I know does not approve of, I usually make a comment to the person first like "Tip first, or calm down" etc. If he continues then I'll Ban him. I'm not saying Im the perfect Knight, far from it! Many times I get picked solely because Im a woman, and some Models prefer another woman as her Knight. Im surely not the biggest tipper! I don't know if it's right or wrong, but I just try to help where I can.
Other than all this I've written, I really don't know as yet where I'm going with all this information! Hopefully it somewhat better explains the Program and it's limitations/obligations to every one of us here, and maybe if we know what is expected, we can all make these Rooms and Models lives run a bit smoother in the future!

Published by bcifu

8 years ago

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bcifu Publisher 7 years ago

to Stevie_G_ : Theres nothing wrong there. The problem is when They take over the room and try to run it themselves, banning at will for the slightest things, like saying hello. The problem is when a Knight is in love with a Model, or playing some Self Important Role. You cannot ban Gold or Green cause technically you are equals. Its the Models responsibility then, as its she who loses the tips if banned!
We used to have Moderators here who could ban anyone in any room! They became so Self Important, the program had to be scrapped! Some are still here, and bitter so they now act like Trolls!

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Stevie_G_ 7 years ago

I'm a Knight in 5 rooms and do my best to keep grey's in check. I will not ban unless they are rude or obnoxious...ie.."show me your tits", "show me your ass", "show me your pussy" those get the ax. Comments such as "you are cute" etc and just being friendly and trying to chat are cool. There are many times I wish I could ban green and gold too for the same reasons. Several times I've noticed such behavior and sent a PM to the model asking if she noticed a comment and she will ban the offensive person. All of the room's I'm in have multiple Knights and we all try to protect our models 100%

bcifu Publisher 8 years ago

to stackerd : The entire Program, yes. The Knight part, no. Sure the program itself is made to make money, these are businesses, and its a costly venture to just get broadcasting rights for hundreds of girls. The Knights are suppossed to be more of an Insurance Policy, to help keep things running smoothly.

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bcifu Publisher 8 years ago

to stackerd : Actually if everyone here was respectful to others, the way things should be, there would be no need for Knights or even to Friend people! Unfortunately though, here everyone is unidentified, and for some reason that seems to bring out the worst in many. Since they don't have to account for their actions, some feel they can just say and do anything they please, w/o regards to the feelings of those around them. Once they become more involved here they become known as their I/D, so they tend to settle down then to try and keep respectability with that name. That was always the reason some were Gold, and some Grey. Gold Members tens to be more involved, regular members here. "Friends" of Models used to mean their Best, most loyal Fans! Guys who would stay in their rooms when they were on, and not in 5 other girls rooms at the same time! They didn't tip/play 1 girl against another and make themselves look foolish to others the way many do today!! Many people here really have a lot of growing up to do, eventhough they might be 56!!

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bcifu Publisher 8 years ago

to stackerd : As Iv'e said in my previous posts, The Program was created simply to give the Models help in their Rooms with unruly Grey Members and guests. *Loyal, level headed and fair Fans of the Model were suppossed to be chosen, to ban those who remained out of hand.
Unfortunately, many of the Models, (and Studios) decided that this was a great way to earn extra tokens!! So now instead of having knowledgeable, helpful people keeping the rooms sane, anyone with X amount of tokens is able to purchase the position!
What the Models who do this do not realize, is their decisions and choices can hurt their incomes in the longer run! Just 1 bad Knight will keep many Gold Members from wanting to enter their rooms, thus less tips! They end up losing a lot more than they ever could gain selling the positions to just anyone with tokens!!! Keep it simple ladies!!!

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stackerd 8 years ago

to bcifu : i think a lot of it revolves around money. the programs are there to make money, ultimately, i think.

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bcifu Publisher 8 years ago

to stackerd : Well, if you read all I have written thus far regarding Knights and the program, it should explain their basic purpose. The problem comes when people try to add to the basic concept, and rewrite the rules their way. The Model is in charge of her room, not the Knights, so she should pick them responsibly and keep them in check if things get out of hand, or De-Knight them, if that's even a word? lolol Here, many Models tend to just accept their actions, not to get involved in any drama with them after they chose them!
**I'm not here to bash all Knights or the Program in any way. As I've said, used as intended its a great program. But when some become Self important and try to rule a room, things tend to get out of hand. They are supposed to be loyal to the Model and have her best interests in mind at all times, in a level headed, fair type of way and stop using the position to show power or serve their own various interests! The majority of Knights do a good job. But it only takes 1 bad Knight in a room to ruin the atmosphere ffor all members!

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bcifu Publisher 8 years ago

to vaders_daughter : Fortunately, you are using the program the way it was intended to be! You control the rules/Knights in your Room, and the Knight/moderators know what they are and act accordingly. Again, this is a simple program, and when used that way it works great! But on the other hand, Unfortunately many other girls didn't bother to think first, they simply saw it as a way to sell something, or reward the highest tippers etc. They most times didn't choose their most loyal, level headed fans for the job, just anyone who came in the room who could afford 1000 tokens in many cases! Or, friends that were not good for the job etc. There were many things determining who was made a Knight, but few had to do with the jobs main purpose. They have no guidelines as to when to ban and when not to, they leave that decision up to the Knights. They do not control their actions. I've seen people Banned simply for saying "Hello", just because the night either didnt like him, or happened to be "In love with the Model" and has a jealous side. to him. I could go on and on with examples of things that still happen regularly, but if all Models took the time to think about the programs real purpose, and run the program a lot like you do, there would be no reason for me to have to write all this, what's becomming a Novel in legnth. lololl The Model is in charge of the room overall, and should be watching her Knights the same way she watches her tips, closely! In the long run a bad Knight will cost them more in lost tips then they can ever hope to possibly gain selling the positions, and Knights that annoy people only give those members a reason to never return! Knights are not able to ban Gold Members because they wanted it known that a Knight is not above any other Gold, or more Important. Thet felt that for the few Golds who act up, the Model should make that decision, and after all those Golds are the ones tipping, or can tip, so the model should make that decision herself.
Thank You for your input Hun!!

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vaders_daughter 8 years ago

Even banning competitions? Yeah, that's sorta ridiculous. It is 100% true that it makes no sense in having any knights if you keep greys muted, because knights can't ban golden users (and I wonder why - many goldens are asses). It makes sense to have many knights, if you feel insecure and your regulars are not in the room all together, so it works like shifts and then it's OK, but as you described it, it really pointless. From my experience, there were men asking me how much it costs to become a knight in my room or they were tipping from 1 to 50 tokens asking me to knight them O_o I have one moderator who has a shield, but it's exactly a moderator - a person who is trying to help to keep the chat-room clean. He sometimes might make some mistakes, but even if he bans someone by mistake, I unban those people. I never have major problems with my moderator, because we are good friends and for a change, there's nothing to do with tokens. When he's not around I perfectly can ban rude people myself, since I usually have both hands on the keyboard and even if I'm showing something, I always find a moment to ban those who request something for free or make rude comments. I don't announce it, I just ban or mute the greys. So it's a nice feature to have knights, but it is working fine even without them, luckily, models have an ability to ban people or to explain to them how to behave. That's my POV.

stackerd 8 years ago

i have often wondered what the point of the 'knight' is. i am a knight with several models. i also wonder what the point of "friend" is too. again, i am with several models. we all have to be respectful to others.